Chat Logs/2009-05-31

From Order of Cosmic Engineers

First meeting in the new location Transvision Nexus in SL.

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[10:03] Eschatoon Magic: hiii

[10:03] Eschatoon Magic: know each other

[10:03] Metafire Horsley: whinnys!

[10:03] Eschatoon Magic: mez is webmaster of italian transhumanists

[10:04] mez Oyen: hi all !

[10:04] Serendipity Seraph: hey mez

[10:04] Zeck Chair 1: Metafire Horsley, say 'Hide' to hide me, or 'Show' to make me show. Or just right-click and sit on me to use me.

[10:04] Eschatoon Magic: like it here metafire?

[10:04] Metafire Horsley: yeah, it's a cool place

[10:04] Serendipity Seraph: plenty of room to go galloping about, eh? :)

[10:05] Metafire Horsley: I've already been here some days ago. I like the slides here.

[10:05] Eschatoon Magic: there are only 2 buildingsnow

[10:05] Eschatoon Magic: many more will come

[10:05] mez Oyen: a horse with wings !

[10:05] mez Oyen: I like that !

[10:05] Metafire Horsley: But that's good for horses. There's enough space to run around ;)

[10:05] mez Oyen: :)

[10:05] lumina Quartz is Online

[10:05] Metafire Horsley: snorts

[10:05] Eschatoon Magic: I see many ppl lost on the island

[10:06] Metafire Horsley: lost? Like in the TV series Lost? ;)

[10:06] Eschatoon Magic shouts: here in the light done

[10:06] Metafire Horsley: hmm, strange

[10:06] Eschatoon Magic: strange what?

[10:06] Metafire Horsley: That you can get lost here...

[10:07] Eschatoon Magic: you guys hearing us?

[10:07] Eschatoon Magic: language lessons!

[10:07] Eschatoon Magic: not many people online

[10:08] Metafire Horsley: I don't speak Italian

[10:08] Eschatoon Magic: my german is also not very good

[10:08] Metafire Horsley: I guess that's why we talk in English here

[10:08] Eschatoon Magic: I do speak it if I have to but make a lot of errors

[10:08] Serendipity Seraph: where are they? looking

[10:08] Eschatoon Magic: not online

[10:09] Serendipity Seraph: rezz is odd. flycam is not seeing a lot

[10:09] Dixit Writer is Online

[10:09] Eschatoon Magic: flycam?

[10:09] Serendipity Seraph: 3D mouse assisted flying camera

[10:09] Eschatoon Magic: wow

[10:10] Eschatoon Magic: been reading about wave

[10:10] Serendipity Seraph: 3D connexion Space Navigator is the one I use

[10:10] mez Oyen: 3D connexion Space Navigator : I too...

[10:11] Eschatoon Magic: I must get one

[10:11] Eschatoon Magic: what I really want is the epoc device

[10:11] Metafire Horsley: What about a pupil shaped like an infinity sign? Or like an X? ^^

[10:11] Marinus Moonites is Online

[10:11] Eschatoon Magic: first neural headset

[10:11] Serendipity Seraph: hey

[10:11] Eschatoon Magic: that is going to be big

[10:12] Eschatoon Magic: and I am sure they will develop an adaptation for the sl client

[10:12] Metafire Horsley: I would prefer a small neural headset ;)

[10:12] Serendipity Seraph: I saw Cast Wright

[10:12] Eschatoon Magic: epoc is small enough, as small as a headset can be

[10:12] Metafire Horsley: cool

[10:12] Eschatoon Magic: look fwd to trying one

[10:12] Woppercyb Nagy is Online

[10:12] Serendipity Seraph: hey marinus

[10:12] Eschatoon Magic: have used a NIA (neural interface adaptor)

[10:12] Marinus Moonites: Hey. :)

[10:13] Eschatoon Magic: dot't see marinus yet

[10:13] Eschatoon Magic: where is he?

[10:13] Eschatoon Magic: hiiii

[10:13] Marinus Moonites: In front of you. :P

[10:13] Eschatoon Magic shouts: in the dome

[10:14] Eschatoon Magic: how u doing

[10:15] Metafire Horsley: Ah, I am in too many groups again...

[10:15] Marinus Moonites: Great. :) I talked to Michael from AcceleratingFuture yesterday and he gave me an url for the forum: www.transhumanistforums.com and will give me my own blog on acceleratingfuture.com/marino

[10:15] Eschatoon Magic: wow

[10:15] Eschatoon Magic: I don't follow acc future too much

[10:16] Marinus Moonites: I will be hosting an IRC chat introducing the forum project soon

[10:16] Eschatoon Magic: btw, seen google's wave?

[10:16] Marinus Moonites: When is Transvision 2009?

[10:16] Eschatoon Magic: may replace email, forums, irc and most other things soon

[10:16] Marinus Moonites: Yeah, I watched the demo yesterday. Wow!

[10:16] Eschatoon Magic: never

[10:16] Eschatoon Magic: ;-)

[10:17] Eschatoon Magic: last was 2007

[10:17] Eschatoon Magic: restarting in 2010

[10:17] Marinus Moonites: I hope so - that would be a great tool for the H+ community

[10:17] Marinus Moonites: oh ok

[10:17] Metafire Horsley: Hi Cast

[10:17] Cast Wright: hello everyone

[10:17] Serendipity Seraph: hey cast

[10:18] Eschatoon Magic: wrote a text about it here (my usual blog is offline): http://cosmuve.net/index.php/Big_G-Wave_coming%3F

[10:18] Eschatoon Magic: hi cast

[10:19] Marinus Moonites: It has great potential for community building, esp with the live collaborative documents

[10:19] Eschatoon Magic: yes

[10:19] Eschatoon Magic: watch the video, it is mind blowing

[10:19] Marinus Moonites: I did. :)

[10:19] Eschatoon Magic: great isn't it?

[10:19] Eschatoon Magic: I signed up as developer, but I think millions did the same

[10:20] Serendipity Seraph: ah. it reminds me of something I was architect on once. reading further..

[10:20] Marinus Moonites: Yes, very. A bit glitchy at this point but it is as expected with a demo.

[10:20] Serendipity Seraph: cept this is concurrent multi-document editing it would appear

[10:20] Eschatoon Magic: as I have written there: Wave may permit doing things even much faster and achieve a critical mass to enable new emergent waves in our developing noosphere.

[10:21] Serendipity Seraph: distributed... nice

[10:21] Eschatoon Magic: google docs is collaborative editing, but not realtime

[10:21] Eschatoon Magic: this is one step further

[10:22] Serendipity Seraph: not seeing that it does any live search agent and notification protocol yet but would expect that from google

[10:22] OH Hoof It Halter (Brown) 1.0: Click Metafire Horsley's halter to grab the lead rope.

[10:22] Serendipity Seraph: be nice to have that specialized for waves of interest

[10:22] Marinus Moonites: Yeah. This really replaces the need forums, email, and instant messaging services..doubt end them though

[10:22] mez Oyen: wanderful horse !

[10:22] Woppercyb Nagy is Offline

[10:23] Metafire Horsley: thx

[10:23] Serendipity Seraph: I don't see it replaces email yet

[10:23] Eschatoon Magic: will take some time to replace old tools of course

[10:23] Eschatoon Magic: I will regret the good old text based internet

[10:23] mez Oyen: may a cat ride a horse ?

[10:23] Eschatoon Magic: try!

[10:23] Metafire Horsley: That's possible

[10:24] Cast Wright: see u, i must go...

[10:24] Eschatoon Magic: you should were a saddle

[10:24] mez Oyen: !!!

[10:24] mez Oyen: I take a pick !

[10:25] Eschatoon Magic: great horseriding in sl

[10:25] Serendipity Seraph: cool !

[10:25] mez Oyen: the ball mus be positioned better

[10:25] Metafire Horsley: wait a minute

[10:25] Eschatoon Magic: like 50 cm lower

[10:25] mez Oyen: I cannot

[10:26] Eschatoon Magic: meta, lower the ball?

[10:26] mez Oyen: yes, a little lower

[10:26] Metafire Horsley: type /1 down

[10:26] Dixit Writer: ciao

[10:26] mez Oyen: done

[10:26] Eschatoon Magic: ciao

[10:26] Serendipity Seraph: so are the spirals of stepping stones going to link to different future sims potentially?

[10:26] Metafire Horsley: again, until your position is correct

[10:26] Eschatoon Magic: dixit is another italian trans

[10:26] Metafire Horsley: hi Dixit

[10:27] Eschatoon Magic: I think khannea should rotate the numbers z 180

[10:27] Metafire Horsley: Hmm, I think I should the german transhumanists to this location *g*

[10:27] mez Oyen: better now

[10:27] Eschatoon Magic: bit better

[10:27] Serendipity Seraph: hey dixit

[10:27] Eschatoon Magic: some more

[10:28] Eschatoon Magic: y get germas trans

[10:28] Eschatoon Magic: anyone online now?

[10:28] Metafire Horsley: I need a better framerate. Since I upgraded to the latest version of Ubuntu my framerate dropped terribly.. :(

[10:28] Eschatoon Magic: use a mac

[10:28] Metafire Horsley: Lol, nice space slug ^^

[10:28] Eschatoon Magic: what u riding dix?

[10:28] Metafire Horsley: whinnys!

[10:28] Eschatoon Magic: omg

[10:29] Eschatoon Magic: many of the ppl who usually come are not online yet

[10:29] Metafire Horsley: hmm, wait a minute. I want to test something...

[10:29] Dixit Writer gave you lumacone.

[10:30] Eschatoon Magic: ty

[10:30] Metafire Horsley: Ok, you should be in control now

[10:30] Serendipity Seraph: yeah, one of my alts is in old location but haven't seen anyone yet

[10:31] Dixit Writer: ma chi è metafire?

[10:31] Dixit Writer: lolle

[10:31] Eschatoon Magic: un trans tedesco

[10:31] Metafire Horsley: hi Solo

[10:31] Eschatoon Magic: Hi

[10:31] Serendipity Seraph: hey solo

[10:31] SoloProbando Chau: hi all

[10:32] Dixit Writer: hi

[10:32] Eschatoon Magic: good to se you

[10:32] Eschatoon Magic: been here or at the old location before?

[10:32] Eschatoon Magic: phone brb

[10:33] Metafire Horsley: So where are the usual people today?

[10:33] Serendipity Seraph: dunno. unless the came early and left but then I would expect an IM.

[10:34] Serendipity Seraph: group notice and online of new location.

[10:34] Serendipity Seraph: no one around the old location

[10:34] Eschatoon Magic: back

[10:34] Serendipity Seraph: except my alt

[10:34] Eschatoon Magic: you running 2 pcs?

[10:35] Serendipity Seraph: mac pro and a macbook pro. can run them both on the mac pro but that causes chat lag

[10:35] Eschatoon Magic: wow she is really riding now

[10:36] Eschatoon Magic: this horse has natural movements, better t others I have seen in sl

[10:36] AutoElettrica Phylla: 1.992355

[10:36] Extropia DaSilva is Online

[10:36] Eschatoon Magic: wow extie is online

[10:36] Metafire Horsley: Yeah, it's one of the best ones in SL

[10:37] Eschatoon Magic: OK if you want warr... the air force is coming

[10:37] Serendipity Seraph: what?

[10:37] Serendipity Seraph: war?

[10:37] Metafire Horsley: whinnys!

[10:38] Eschatoon Magic: switching on other PC, will log also as giulio who has a lot of air force equipment

[10:38] Extropia DaSilva: ..what is it good for? LAN parties, fraggin' and capital punishment for campers, that is what war is good for.

[10:38] Serendipity Seraph: hey extie

[10:38] Extropia DaSilva: So..this is the new sim huh?

[10:39] Eschatoon Magic: ah she is here already

[10:39] Metafire Horsley: Hi Extie :)

[10:39] Serendipity Seraph: Lan parties?

[10:39] Extropia DaSilva: Hello hon.

[10:39] Eschatoon Magic: lan parties?

[10:39] Extropia DaSilva: Oh old tech. Local Area Network.

[10:39] Serendipity Seraph: I know what a LAN is but what does it have to do with war?

[10:40] Eschatoon Magic: main transhumanist server (dave pearce) has not been working all day

[10:40] Extropia DaSilva: Well they used to play multiplayer Doom, Wolfenstein and Quake on LANS.

[10:40] Eschatoon Magic: cosmeng.org, transumanar.com, ieet.org are all dead

[10:40] Dixit Writer: those are games

[10:40] Eschatoon Magic: today the net is a big lan

[10:40] Extropia DaSilva: Yes they are.

[10:41] Metafire Horsley: But in the net there'S more lag

[10:41] Eschatoon Magic: seen google's wave extie?

[10:41] Extropia DaSilva: No. I only heard about it from Prokofy Neva's blog. What is it?

[10:41] Eschatoon Magic: you wrote some predictions about it a few mnths ago disnt you

[10:41] Serendipity Seraph: need to bag up the server maybe on Amazon EC2?

[10:41] Terence McKenna is Online

[10:41] Eschatoon Magic: eugen is online

[10:42] Eschatoon Magic: 2 horses

[10:42] Extropia DaSilva: Oh you mean Google and red Queen? I have written a revised edition of that essay, including stuff like neuromarketing and integrated information theory. But not Google Wave.

[10:42] Eschatoon Magic: I should also get a horse av

[10:42] Metafire Horsley: hi Terence

[10:42] Eschatoon Magic: Hi Eugen

[10:42] Dixit Writer: vado a fuoco

[10:42] Extropia DaSilva: Hello terence.

[10:43] Serendipity Seraph: hey TK!

[10:43] Metafire Horsley: The avatars from Hoof it! are good

[10:43] Eschatoon Magic: could you fix that URL prob?

[10:43] Terence McKenna: I'll try to .

[10:44] Terence McKenna: Sorry, have been spammed to death with requesters. Haven't logged in in a while.

[10:44] Dixit Writer: wow Terence

[10:44] Giulio Perhaps is Online

[10:44] Metafire Horsley gave you Hoof It! Bringing horses to life, Nectaris (74, 65, 39).

[10:45] Extropia DaSilva: I am going to take a look see at this place. Back soonish.

[10:45] Giulio Perhaps: Hi everyone

[10:45] Extropia DaSilva: ..But not before I say hello to Giulio.

[10:45] Extropia DaSilva: Hello!

[10:45] Giulio Perhaps: Don't listen to Esch, he is a transhumanist subversive

[10:45] Terence McKenna: Hi everybody.

[10:45] Metafire Horsley: hi Guilio Perhaps :)

[10:46] Dixit Writer: ciao giulio

[10:46] Giulio Perhaps: ma guarda che anche Eschatoon sono io!

[10:46] Extropia DaSilva: Hah. We digital people stick together. your flesh is a relic! Give us it and a new world awaits you etc etc.

[10:46] Lucifer Darrow is Online

[10:46] Serendipity Seraph: do you have a single key that sets that off, extie? :)

[10:47] Terence McKenna: Gah. Horrible rendering artifacts. Anyone seeing it?

[10:47] Extropia DaSilva: That would be telling.

[10:47] Terence McKenna: There's something in your hair, Serendip.

[10:47] Giulio Perhaps: lucifer is online

[10:47] Extropia DaSilva: hey that would be a good way of becoming an early upload. Talk entirely in quotes and cliche'd remarks, so that even current chatbots could probably emulate your personality.

[10:48] Serendipity Seraph: standing meetings are more comfortable than in RL but do floks want to be seated?

[10:48] Serendipity Seraph: there is, TK?

[10:48] Serendipity Seraph: don't see it

[10:48] Terence McKenna: No, It's not you. Somebody else is throwing the artifacts.

[10:48] Dodge Ash is Offline

[10:49] Metafire Horsley: Horses perfer standing :)

[10:49] Eschatoon Magic: y but horses come closer pls

[10:49] Terence McKenna: Somebody is speaking Italian?

[10:49] Serendipity Seraph: hey Lucifer!

[10:49] Lucifer Darrow: Greetings, all!

[10:49] Metafire Horsley: Hail Lucifer :)

[10:49] Eschatoon Magic: y - two italian trans maz and dixit

[10:49] Eschatoon Magic: Hi Lucifer

[10:50] Terence McKenna: Ciao, maz/dixit.

[10:50] Serendipity Seraph: needs a mat in the middle

[10:50] Eschatoon Magic: mez: maz doesn't sound nice in italian, especially southers ;-)

[10:50] Extropia DaSilva: BTW, nice avvie Giulio.

[10:50] Terence McKenna: Unfortunately, I don't see most of you due to rendering artifacts. Most annoying.

[10:50] Giulio Perhaps: ty extie

[10:51] Serendipity Seraph: what are you running? or is the island sim getting overloaded?

[10:51] Terence McKenna: I think I missed the last 2-3 meetings.

[10:51] Terence McKenna: I think my client or my drivers are buggy.

[10:51] Serendipity Seraph: missed you too.

[10:52] Terence McKenna: Sorry about that, I really felt bad about it.

[10:52] Giulio Perhaps: bad about what?

[10:52] Serendipity Seraph: eh, glad to have you. no need to get all catholic. :)

[10:52] Terence McKenna: Bad about not being able to come.

[10:52] Giulio Perhaps: i c

[10:53] Terence McKenna: Horsley, are you wearing something around your neck?

[10:53] Metafire Horsley: Ah, hot here. I'm burning!

[10:53] Metafire Horsley: Yes, it's an amulet of fire immunity ;)

[10:54] Terence McKenna: Gah, this client isdriving me nuts.

[10:54] Giulio Perhaps: lucifer could you put the irc gateway here?

[10:54] Serendipity Seraph: AFK

[10:54] Terence McKenna: Ah, I can see Giulio, at least.

[10:54] Giulio Perhaps: And I also thing it is not working on the irc server

[10:54] Giulio Perhaps: you should see 2 of me!

[10:55] Terence McKenna: I only see rays of black and magenta.

[10:55] Dixit Writer: rays?

[10:55] Khannea Suntzu is Online

[10:55] Terence McKenna: Rendering artifacts from hell.

[10:56] Giulio Perhaps: K is here

[10:56] Terence McKenna: Marinus and SoloProbando are the source of artifacts.

[10:56] Extropia DaSilva: yeah I saw her come online.

[10:57] Extropia DaSilva: ..Hey did you send Eschatoon away, Giulio?

[10:57] Serendipity Seraph: interesting

[10:57] Giulio Perhaps: no but...

[10:57] Giulio Perhaps: we have two PCs in different rooms

[10:58] Giulio Perhaps: and unfortunately RL is not as flexible as SL... yet

[10:58] Terence McKenna: Do you know where you're moving to exactly, G?

[10:58] Giulio Perhaps: near como

[10:58] Giulio Perhaps: we go there on 11 to find a place

[10:58] Terence McKenna: Why that particular location?

[10:58] Extropia DaSilva: So is it like (Giulio types) how are you? (Giulio runs to computer in other room) Eschatoon replies 'fine'?

[10:59] Giulio Perhaps: so I can escape to Swirzerland fast if things tuen sour in Itali... ;-)

[10:59] Serendipity Seraph: *grin* enough trouble swiveling my chair and being in two places at once.

[10:59] Serendipity Seraph: really need a much more powerful brain. :)

[10:59] Giulio Perhaps: sent alt to sleep?

[10:59] Giulio Perhaps: so do we all

[10:59] Terence McKenna: Switzerland is an interesting location. I'm thinking about moving there myself.

[11:00] Extropia DaSilva: *Wonders if it is Giulio Prisco roleplaying Eschatoon in SL, or Eschatoon roleplaying Giulio in RL...*

[11:00] Dixit Writer: is thaty so differtent?

[11:00] Giulio Perhaps: I think Esch should answer that

[11:00] Dixit Writer: lol

[11:00] Dixit Writer: lol

[11:01] Eschatoon Magic: give me some time and I will roleplay myself in RL

[11:01] Serendipity Seraph: omg, you are all played by an AI!

[11:01] Dixit Writer: my avatar is a prosthesis

[11:01] Extropia DaSilva: The same one, in all probability.

[11:01] Dixit Writer: my personality is a convolution

[11:02] Dixit Writer: i'm larger that a human

[11:02] Dixit Writer: :D

[11:02] Dixit Writer: chat lag

[11:02] Dixit Writer: than

[11:02] Metafire Horsley: How large are you in bit? ^^

[11:02] Eschatoon Magic: 2 ppl lost outside

[11:02] Eschatoon Magic shouts: in the light dome

[11:03] Extropia DaSilva: BTW what does the yellow dot signify?

[11:03] Lucifer Darrow: Yes, I could set up an IRC gateway here. But would anyone use it?

[11:03] Serendipity Seraph: my alt is just running around. not lost

[11:03] Dixit Writer: there is a flag in sl client that says the cost of the avatar

[11:03] Extropia DaSilva: Alonzo would use it, if only we would let him;)

[11:03] Eschatoon Magic: I use it when I cannot log to SL

[11:03] Lucifer Darrow nods

[11:03] Eschatoon Magic: others use it occasionally

[11:04] Extropia DaSilva: Yeah Peer is known to use it.

[11:04] Eschatoon Magic: is peer online?

[11:04] Extropia DaSilva: Nope.

[11:04] Metafire Horsley: That's unusual

[11:04] Terence McKenna: Khannea should be dropping by sometime.

[11:04] Sarg Bjornson is Offline

[11:05] Khannea Suntzu shouts: Give me 5 minutes, I have a *luminous* idea I need to realize

[11:05] Eschatoon Magic: we all all eyes K sweetie

[11:05] Metafire Horsley: I've got some holidays now. I think I should advocate utilitarianism in the mailing group *g*

[11:06] Dixit Writer: Advanced --> Rendering --> Info Displays --> Avatar Rendering Cost

[11:06] Terence McKenna: Any suggested location for the 2010 Transvision?

[11:06] Metafire Horsley: here? ^^

[11:07] Dixit Writer: sure

[11:07] Terence McKenna: No, the North Italy list of prospective locations.

[11:07] Serendipity Seraph: hey k!

[11:07] Extropia DaSilva gave you Red Queen Lecture.

[11:08] mez Oyen: is arriving a friend of mine, Hali...

[11:08] Serendipity Seraph: is there a way to simultaneously chat local and IM to the group?

[11:08] Extropia DaSilva: ..Where IS Khannea?

[11:08] Terence McKenna: She's building somewhere above.

[11:08] Serendipity Seraph: sure some script could transfer

[11:09] Eschatoon Magic: cosmeng server is coming slowly back online

[11:09] Sarg Bjornson is Online

[11:10] Dixit Writer: will be back soon

[11:11] Serendipity Seraph: cya dixit

[11:11] Extropia DaSilva: I will tell you something about writing those essays of mine. I am always tempted to delay publication because there is always some cool new technology or scientific discovery being unveiled/announced that I would like to include.

[11:11] Eschatoon Magic: so you never write anything -- better publishing revisions

[11:12] Terence McKenna: Any Apache experts in attendance? I've got a problem with a virtual host config.

[11:12] Dixit Writer: here i m

[11:12] Serendipity Seraph: you are much more expert than me. I just read the manual and poke at it. not that skilled

[11:12] Eschatoon Magic: you mean you are an apache exp dixit?

[11:12] Extropia DaSilva: Yes that is true. Also, one has to find the balance between not enough and too much information. I probably lean too much towards the latter.

[11:12] Dixit Writer: no

[11:13] Dixit Writer: lol

[11:13] Dixit Writer: i was back form rl

[11:15] Metafire Horsley: If you could be what you want to be, how would you change?

[11:15] Lucifer Darrow: I'm just waiting for the dead bot in #cosmeng to timeout before I can restart it...

[11:15] Lucifer Darrow: bbiab

[11:15] Eschatoon Magic: extie is the article you gave me a revised version?

[11:15] mez Oyen: I would like to be able to change not 1 only time, but contonously, like here...

[11:16] Dixit Writer: change ability is better if you can change following your mood

[11:16] Dixit Writer: or your needing

[11:16] Metafire Horsley: If you could change your mood and your emotional needs, how would you change them?

[11:17] Dixit Writer: i don't want to change my mood if i have no reasons to feel better :)

[11:17] Eschatoon Magic: calm, moderately happy

[11:17] Extropia DaSilva: I would have my primary's brain destructively scanned and relevant details transferred to a more robust computational platform. I would then be controlled by an AI optimised to roleplay me. Why that should make me feel better is another story.

[11:17] Serendipity Seraph: I would only sleep when I wished to dream. I would be able to flip on laser focus and creativity at will.

[11:18] Metafire Horsley: I would like to do everything I want at the same time.

[11:18] Serendipity Seraph: turn on hyper-intelligence bursts at will instead of them only happening rarely

[11:18] Metafire Horsley: Why not letting hyper-intelligence be active all the time?

[11:19] Dixit Writer: that would be fantastic

[11:19] Serendipity Seraph: possible. but can be lonely as well if not a lot of others playing in same mode.

[11:19] Metafire Horsley: That's an interesting thought, Seren.

[11:19] Dixit Writer: i m not sur

[11:19] Eschatoon Magic: extie: is the article a reviser version?

[11:19] Dixit Writer: sure

[11:20] Metafire Horsley: Why would people prefer not to be as intelligent as possible? Are there real advantages to being less intelligent?

[11:20] Extropia DaSilva: I would like a bullshit filter that can sweep away every innacurate bit of information that is on the Web.

[11:20] Metafire Horsley: What would be left of the web then, Extie? ;)

[11:20] Extropia DaSilva: That article is a revised edition, yes.

[11:21] Serendipity Seraph: you can't play some games humans like to play with mind fully lit up easily.

[11:21] Dixit Writer: who judge?

[11:21] Extropia DaSilva: Well it would probably remove most of what I have written. Not that I state bullshit on purpose. I just mean I no doubt have made errors.

[11:22] Metafire Horsley: If the web becomes intelligent maybe it will erase all bullshit content by itself *g*

[11:22] Dixit Writer: unusefull bytes can be removed by people itself becomiong more intelligent

[11:22] Eschatoon Magic: careful - it may erase us with the bullshit

[11:22] Serendipity Seraph: would gear for hyper fast learning for sure.

[11:22] Extropia DaSilva: ..About the revised edition. I included some more examples of partial brain emulation, a new way of testing for machine consciousness and some stuff on neuromarketing.

[11:23] Dixit Writer: anyway, bullshits are terms of comparison

[11:24] Dixit Writer: one must learn what is wrong and stupid

[11:24] Serendipity Seraph: ah, wiring people for deeper fast communication would be a high priority

[11:24] Eschatoon Magic: Ext: posted essay, will write comments later

[11:24] Extropia DaSilva: How does one learn what is wrong? I often worry that what I think is wrong is merely what is incompatible with my prejudices.

[11:25] Dixit Writer: living you learn

[11:25] Dixit Writer: comparing

[11:25] Extropia DaSilva: Thanks Eschatoon:) Did you know, you have the coolest name?

[11:25] Eschatoon Magic: I have a prejudice that I should be alive, so whatever wants to kill me is wrong

[11:25] Metafire Horsley: Only things which are logically inconsistent are wrong.

[11:25] Dixit Writer: :)

[11:26] Dixit Writer: you have the rigths to live

[11:26] Dixit Writer: who wants to kill you is wrong

[11:26] Dixit Writer: kill him first :)

[11:26] Extropia DaSilva: Well Eschatoon you will exist for as long as someone or something is willing and able to run your patterns.

[11:26] Metafire Horsley: What's the use of a right to live if I get killed or die from some disease?

[11:26] Giulio Perhaps: you bet

[11:26] Giulio Perhaps: mez still here?

[11:26] Dixit Writer: kill the disease :D

[11:27] mez Oyen: yes and not :)

[11:27] Giulio Perhaps: so am I - eschatoon is taking most of our brain now

[11:27] Giulio Perhaps: so, I am moving the meat body to his PC

[11:27] Giulio Perhaps: (which is a mac)

[11:28] Giulio Perhaps: and go smoke a quick cigarette in the meantime

[11:28] Giulio Perhaps: even better

[11:28] mez Oyen: I have to go, folks ! Telephone call ...

[11:28] Giulio Perhaps: take mac to garden

[11:28] Extropia DaSilva: Kk Mez

[11:28] Metafire Horsley: bye mez

[11:28] mez Oyen: Bye !

[11:28] Dixit Writer: my meat body wants to have lunch

[11:28] Serendipity Seraph: good to meet you mez

[11:28] mez Oyen is Offline

[11:28] Terence McKenna: Ciao, mez.

[11:28] Serendipity Seraph: can't send cold pizza to dixit yet

[11:28] Extropia DaSilva: BTW has anyone seen Transcendent Man?

[11:29] Dixit Writer: my avatar stays here

[11:29] Serendipity Seraph: no. not in theatre near me far as I know

[11:29] Eschatoon Magic: here I am, in garden smoking

[11:29] Terence McKenna: WLAN, G?

[11:29] Serendipity Seraph: smoking????

[11:29] Dixit Writer: i need only to carry the stomach for lunch, i can leave my brain here

[11:29] Eschatoon Magic: y

[11:29] Eschatoon Magic: YES!!!!!!

[11:30] Eschatoon Magic: know the story of the guy who stope smoking...

[11:30] Eschatoon Magic: and says, now my sexual performance is better...

[11:30] Eschatoon Magic: ... BECAUSE NOW I HAVE TWO HANDS FREE

[11:30] Extropia DaSilva: Maybe Eschatoon is one of those transhumanists who give up healthy living because they have the sure and certain hope that medical science will fix all conditions before they do him in?

[11:30] Eschatoon Magic: no

[11:31] Eschatoon Magic: just because I like living my way

[11:31] Serendipity Seraph: BS. lost a friend to lung cancer.

[11:31] Eschatoon Magic: ... and I hope in moravec resurrection

[11:31] Serendipity Seraph: not pretty or fun.

[11:31] Extropia DaSilva: :) I like that reason. Anyway, not as if smoking can kill YOU. Giulio maybe, but not you.

[11:31] Eschatoon Magic: lost many friends to liung cancer

[11:31] Extropia DaSilva: Here she is.

[11:32] Metafire Horsley: hi Khannea

[11:32] Giulio Perhaps is Offline

[11:32] Serendipity Seraph: are we going to get anywhere with these "little inconsistencies"?

[11:32] Eschatoon Magic: that was for me?

[11:32] Extropia DaSilva: Actually this is a good topic for discussion: Should a person have the right do do harm to his or herself?

[11:32] Eschatoon Magic: of course yes

[11:32] Eschatoon Magic: I don't have no right to harm others

[11:32] Serendipity Seraph: sure. is good topic. too we live what we preach / idealize?

[11:33] Serendipity Seraph: *do

[11:33] Eschatoon Magic: but I do what I want with my mind and body

[11:33] Khannea Suntzu gave you FENCING OFF THE GHETTO.

[11:33] Dixit Writer: lol

[11:33] Metafire Horsley: I am not so sure regarding to this topic.

[11:33] Serendipity Seraph: but who/what is in control? humans are multi-varied

[11:33] Serendipity Seraph: what parts run you?

[11:33] Metafire Horsley: Why make a difference between the self and others?

[11:34] Extropia DaSilva: But do you not need to consider the people who love you and whose life may be affected, having to care for you when your body starts to cave in under all the abuse?

[11:34] Metafire Horsley: As the singularity of connectedness goes on this difference will blur more and more.

[11:34] Serendipity Seraph: this side of singularity/upload final death is too soon and too certain as it is

[11:35] Extropia DaSilva: I agree Seren

[11:35] Eschatoon Magic: those I love would feel even worse if I were always unhappy

[11:35] Serendipity Seraph: why help it along or rush it?

[11:35] Serendipity Seraph: I was much happier once I quit a couple of decades back.

[11:35] Extropia DaSilva: Then again I would not want to go as far as Kurzweil. I wonder how he can have time to live, following a health regime like that.

[11:36] Metafire Horsley: Yeah, I wonder about that, too, Extie :)

[11:36] Eschatoon Magic: never - give me tasteful unhealthy, fatty food anytime

[11:36] Terence McKenna: If he following the regime, he's shortening his life.

[11:36] Metafire Horsley: I like fatty vegan food ^^

[11:37] Serendipity Seraph: so is learning to control those parts of our EP and other programming that are not really good for our ideals a pointless exercise?

[11:37] Metafire Horsley: Nah, learining to control the EP doesn't work. Just reprogramm everything as soon as you are able to.

[11:37] Extropia DaSilva: Ah, my sister calls. I will see you all next time. Hopefully including Eschatoon, although by the sound of things the Grim Reaper is sharpening his scythe as we speak..lol!

[11:38] Serendipity Seraph: see you, extie

[11:38] Eschatoon Magic: is not pointless if it is something you want, of course

[11:38] Metafire Horsley: bye Extie

[11:38] Serendipity Seraph: way I see it a lot of changes that are counter our EP are essential if we are to make it to world we dream of

[11:38] Carolyn Saarinen: Hello all

[11:38] Eschatoon Magic: is doing a gesture that italians use to do to protect themselves from bad luck

[11:39] Eschatoon Magic: hy carolyn

[11:39] Metafire Horsley: Hi Carolyn.

[11:39] Serendipity Seraph: so building up the ability to do so seems to be very important

[11:39] Terence McKenna: Before I drop off for today, is there something we need to know about Transvision?

[11:39] Eschatoon Magic: I sent an email with more ideas for the scientific committee

[11:39] Serendipity Seraph: also we are asking the not transhumanist folks to consider things counter to much they know and thing are the bounds of who they are.

[11:39] Eschatoon Magic: and a question: Nick and James H?

[11:40] Serendipity Seraph: hey carolyn

[11:40] Terence McKenna: Bostrom and Hughes would be good to invite.

[11:40] Eschatoon Magic: I think we should invite them

[11:40] Eschatoon Magic: however, Bill is Chair

[11:40] Metafire Horsley: Everyone has to learn and expand his horizon sooner or later. Better you learn in sooner than later.

[11:41] Eschatoon Magic: I think so too

[11:42] Metafire Horsley: "Sperrgebied" should be spelled "Sperrgebiet", Khannea, btw.

[11:43] Khannea Suntzu: Yah whatever its lindens, what do they know

[11:43] Eschatoon Magic: coming in irc

[11:44] Metafire Horsley: When will neural interfaces replace mouses and keyboards?

[11:44] Eschatoon Magic: according to emotiv.com very soon

[11:45] Carolyn Saarinen: now, if you've got the money

[11:45] Terence McKenna: If you can afford a neural implant, you can have one today.

[11:45] Terence McKenna: Feeling like neurosurgery?

[11:45] Eschatoon Magic: really? urls pls

[11:45] Serendipity Seraph: LOL over the signs on the fence. good one, K

[11:45] Lucifer Darrow is Offline

[11:47] Khannea Suntzu: :)

[11:48] Sarg Bjornson is Offline

[11:48] Serendipity Seraph: when will minds simply share whatever they wish directly in full fidelity?

[11:49] Carolyn Saarinen: Is this 'Ghetto' package you've given me about the gulag fencing on the Naughty Contintent Khannea?

[11:49] Eschatoon Magic: I look very much fwd to that, also because I think (very) high speed neural interfaces are a direct way to mind uploading

[11:49] Serendipity Seraph: anyone here a master of OpenGL and kin?

[11:49] Terence McKenna: What's kin?

[11:50] Serendipity Seraph: similar graphics mastery

[11:51] Serendipity Seraph: I wonder how hard it would be to hack a SL client so that any flat surface could play a video stream it opened locally bypassing server load

[11:51] lumina Quartz is Offline

[11:52] Khannea Suntzu: You cant

[11:52] Khannea Suntzu: They intentionally closed that off

[11:53] Khannea Suntzu: Ask yourself *why* they would close that off

[11:53] Khannea Suntzu facepalms

[11:53] You decline Second Life Opera House, DIXON Dream (186, 79, 26) from A group member named Xinoxi Han.

[11:53] Carolyn Saarinen: Linden logic?

[11:53] Marinus Moonites is Offline

[11:53] Terence McKenna: There's OpenSim clients, too.

[11:54] Khannea Suntzu: Hey guys wanna come watch the latest Terminator 4 in my sim? Hey guys wanna come watchg a private session of "12 year old schoolboy bukkake"

[11:54] Eschatoon Magic: could use another server, like the voice system does

[11:54] Serendipity Seraph: why not K? it is strctly local.

[11:54] Eschatoon Magic: client is opensource, they cannot close this

[11:54] Carolyn Saarinen: Hmm bukkake ;)

[11:54] Khannea Suntzu spells the letters RIAA in midair

[11:54] Rose Springvale is Offline

[11:54] Serendipity Seraph: has nothing to do with Lindens in a hacked client.

[11:54] Khannea Suntzu: Oh sure a hacked client, I suppose can be done, no worries then

[11:55] Serendipity Seraph: If it is generally possible outside a client on a machine with openGL then it is possible to hack a client to include it, no?

[11:55] Khannea Suntzu: But never ever officially - and in a hacked client only you will be able to see

[11:55] Khannea Suntzu: But its striking they closed this off at the local sim level

[11:55] Serendipity Seraph: RIAA has nothing to do with feeds I can see anyhow in my browser

[11:55] Khannea Suntzu: Very deliberate

[11:55] Khannea Suntzu: Oh I agree

[11:55] Serendipity Seraph: or with video created by others and shared

[11:56] Carolyn Saarinen: Is this a proposal to create a Cos Eng viewer?

[11:56] Khannea Suntzu: But envision a Linden Lab lawyer in court trying to explain a judge and a jury they are somewhat like the water company

[11:56] Khannea Suntzu: Or a phone company

[11:56] Khannea Suntzu: Watch the expression of Ma Bullbrook, a 62 year old conservative grandma, knitting away in the juror bench

[11:56] Serendipity Seraph: does have to belong to us necessarily but to create such a viewer, yes. very important to richness possible.

[11:57] Carolyn Saarinen: Another one for my collection ;)

[11:58] Serendipity Seraph: all they provided was a prim that was flat and someone had embedded a video url in it that someone's client can play on their desktop without any SL involvement

[11:58] Serendipity Seraph: where is the case?

[11:58] Serendipity Seraph: hell prims can listen to the net for data to contain now

[11:58] Serendipity Seraph: strictly a client side software question

[11:59] Khannea Suntzu: Sippie, right now, in the current client this cant be done. In a hacked client sure. Such a case would be hypothetical, but equally dangerous as the "hot coffee" mod case for GTA

[11:59] Khannea Suntzu: LL wants to isolate itself from accountability; juror cases are faaaaarrr to dangerous in the US

[11:59] Serendipity Seraph: GTA? "hot coffe"?

[11:59] Khannea Suntzu: :)

[11:59] Khannea Suntzu: Google it

[11:59] Serendipity Seraph: *coffee

[12:00] Khannea Suntzu: It was a mod in the game GTA that allowed users to depicts the in-game whores naked, fucking on a backbech of a car

[12:00] Serendipity Seraph: screw the law. too easy to walk around it.

[12:00] Serendipity Seraph: can't wait for the *@"! lawyers to wring their hands

[12:00] Khannea Suntzu: You saw nothing, but some grandma saw her grandkids chuckling over the pixal art and she sued

[12:00] Eschatoon Magic: Need to go walk the doggy, brb 15 min

[12:00] Carolyn Saarinen graons

[12:01] Terence McKenna: His canine is not scriptable.

[12:01] Carolyn Saarinen groans (even)

[12:01] Khannea Suntzu: Not sure, I think she won. You;d have to google. The current corporate paranoia orf being held accountable is about as far extreme into prudish xenophobia as is acceptable.

[12:01] Serendipity Seraph: ah, the poor minors.

[12:01] Terence McKenna: Europe is getting the neocons, too.

[12:01] Carolyn Saarinen: I KNOW teenagers HATE porn we all know that

[12:02] Serendipity Seraph: tis serious issue that much move toward >human tech will run into a lot of legal tangles

[12:02] Khannea Suntzu: Terence you have a neurological addiction to doom and gloom. Stop it or I'll be calling you Nico.

[12:02] Carolyn Saarinen: "We will fight them on the beaches" Terence

[12:02] Serendipity Seraph: keeping enough freedom from such to proceed at reasonable speed is a Really Big Deal

[12:03] Terence McKenna: It's less doom and gloom than anger.

[12:03] Terence McKenna: Whenever I read the latest legislation, both national, and EU, I want to SCREAM.

[12:04] Serendipity Seraph: I do SCREAM. one of the few advatages of living alone. for all the good it does me.

[12:05] Terence McKenna: That much anger is not healthy. However, it's hard to tune out the bad news.

[12:05] Carolyn Saarinen: Oh no Terence. We're wearing the same skins! Are there papparatzi?!

[12:06] Serendipity Seraph: Being intelligent and interested can be problematic when turning that intelligence to the contemplation of that much evil crap.

[12:06] Marinus Moonites is Online

[12:06] Serendipity Seraph: love those skins!

[12:06] Terence McKenna: Right, Carolyn. I don't recall the name of it, though.

[12:06] Serendipity Seraph: wb, marinus

[12:06] Dixit Writer: they are so nice

[12:07] Carolyn Saarinen: Well at least it proves we both have good taste ;)

[12:07] Terence McKenna: :)

[12:07] Serendipity Seraph: we can all fly in as flaming angels of Technocalypse! :)

[12:08] Marinus Moonites: Thanks Seren :)

[12:08] Carolyn Saarinen: Well, I saw a very cool AV the other day so now I have an excuse to buy it.

[12:08] Serendipity Seraph: a dozen of us buzzing Extropia in such an outfit would be good fun. :)

[12:08] Terence McKenna: Oh, yes.

[12:08] Carolyn Saarinen: I'm not chasing designers for custom work until I've upgraded my PC.

[12:09] IRC: DLucifer: ahoy from #cosmeng

[12:09] Serendipity Seraph: hail Lucifer

[12:09] Carolyn Saarinen: I like that idea Serendipity

[12:09] Terence McKenna still hasn't upgraded his computer

[12:10] Serendipity Seraph: thought you were running Phenoms, TK

[12:10] Khannea Suntzu: No idear. Wrong/tab.

[12:10] Carolyn Saarinen: Well I can't move closer to the servers or get my 1L govt to pay for a C21st broadband network, but I must do what I can.

[12:11] Khannea Suntzu: Anyone here really good at scripting?

[12:11] Terence McKenna: That's the plan, but I'm still on Athlon 64.

[12:11] Dixit Writer: what do u need kha?

[12:11] Terence McKenna: The low-TDP phenoms are already announced, so next month maybe.

[12:11] Khannea Suntzu: I have a rather unique plan for a game in SL

[12:11] Khannea Suntzu: It involves lots of prims talking to one another

[12:11] Dixit Writer: :)

[12:11] Carolyn Saarinen: When the time comes, can I be a nuisance and yell for advice on specs within the group?

[12:12] Dixit Writer: it seems a big deal kha :)

[12:12] Khannea Suntzu: Hmz?

[12:12] Terence McKenna: So, do we have a list of locations for North Italy for Transvision?

[12:13] Eschatoon Magic: back

[12:13] Dixit Writer: developing a game in sl required so much time

[12:13] Eschatoon Magic: for logistics, better not too far from milan

[12:13] Eschatoon Magic: milan is better than rome because many ppl from central eu can drive instead of fly

[12:13] Serendipity Seraph: how many prims? link chat is fastest but limited in number that can be involved

[12:14] Khannea Suntzu: I have very strong reasons to make this project work

[12:14] Serendipity Seraph: how fast is the messaging needed?

[12:14] Terence McKenna: Milan is definitely better than Rome.

[12:14] Khannea Suntzu: Its a turn based boardgame with pieces and a 15 to 30 second game tutn

[12:14] Khannea Suntzu: Miss a turn, you cant move your piece

[12:14] Dixit Writer: Kha the engage is not easy, what do u mean?

[12:14] Khannea Suntzu: I am collating a PDF

[12:15] Serendipity Seraph: ah. don't need that fast then

[12:15] Khannea Suntzu: The idea is new. I havent seen something like it

[12:15] Eschatoon Magic: I script good, not much time tho

[12:15] Khannea Suntzu: I know boss

[12:15] Khannea Suntzu: I have several people on the list

[12:15] IRC: eschatoon has joined #cosmeng

[12:15] IRC: eschatoon: HI! IRC gateway works again

[12:15] Khannea Suntzu: But I dont want an outsider who then goes and claims 50% of the profit

[12:15] Dixit Writer: thatz not a naval battles? :D

[12:16] Khannea Suntzu: No more like a mix between Diplomacy, Chess and Magic

[12:16] Khannea Suntzu: The new feature iks

[12:16] Dixit Writer: you'll mak eit for money?

[12:16] Khannea Suntzu: People buy piieces and can step in anytime

[12:16] Khannea Suntzu: Anyone can join any moment

[12:17] Khannea Suntzu: The pieces loght up in sequence and can only be moved for 15 to 30 seconds

[12:17] Khannea Suntzu: Half the money laid in goes to a victory pot

[12:17] Khannea Suntzu: Half goes to the house

[12:17] Eschatoon Magic: must go now - I will post the chat on the cosmengsite if nobody objects

[12:17] Khannea Suntzu: Like I said

[12:17] Khannea Suntzu: It might catch on real hard